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Friday, November 12, 2004

GRotD: 'Redneck vote' is a liberal myth

Today's Good Read of the Day (GRotD) is Charles Krauthammer's debunking of this useful post-election analysis myth.

The one thing liberals most need to contemplate is the last thing they can bring themselves to: that large numbers of well-informed, well-meaning, intelligent, thoughtful people actually voted FOR Bush.


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(Please keep in mind that each commenter's opinions are only his/her own.)



According to a republican....
 


I voted Democrat in the last two elections. So...it's not just "according to Replicans." It's also according to a few million swing voters.
 


Yeah it's also pretty funny "Bush [increased] his share of the vote among Hispanics, Jews, women (especially married women), Catholics, seniors and even African-Americans, on what does this victory-of-the-homophobic-evangelical rest?"

So why are the liberals pissed at Christians?

"...the fallback is then to attribute Bush's victory to the gay marriage referendums that pushed Bush over the top, particularly in Ohio. This is more nonsense. Bush increased his vote in 2004 over 2000 by an average of 3.1% nationwide. In Ohio, the increase was 1% - less than a third of the national average. In the 11 states in which the gay marriage referendums were held, Bush increased his vote by less than he did in the 39 states that did not have the referendum. The great anti-gay surge was pure fiction."

Why can't you crazy liberals just come out and say it? Your Democratic Party sucks and you need better leadership and an ACTUAL PLATFORM instead of one that says Bush sucks, vote for us. You guys lost and get over it. Look to the future instead of dwelling in the past. That's why you lost this election! You can thank Michael Moore and Terry McAuliffe and Diane Pelosi for helping the Republicans win the election. They didn't help mobilize their own base, they helped mobilize the conservative base! This Democratic party sucks nowadays, and they need to come to grips with that fact that they don't represent the values that are closer to the average American. Solution? Re-think what you did wrong and fix it to avoid becoming even more of a minority.
 


Because Christian churches felt the need to not seperate state and church by registering voters at their churches and by preaching to their congregations about which candidate God apparently would accept over the other.

Of course Hispanics would vote for Bush, he's making them legal immigrants now. Not to mention that most hispanics are Catholic - therefore they would be voting under "moral obligations" as well. Women (especially married women) are most likely casting a vote against same-sex marriage or their husbands actually allowed them to go out and vote this time around, and maybe even told them who they should vote for. I wouldn't doubt it if they're rednecks, or Christian women usually told not to think for themselves. Catholics are Christian too, seniors are usually Christians which is evident when you see pictures of Christian churches all filled with white hair. Oh, and African-Americans are the MOST homophobic, and yet had the most homosexual men.. and are mostly baptist Christians...now you ask on what does this victory-of-the-homophobic-evangelical rest?"

I think society thinks it's more a victory to homophobic-CHRISTIANITY in general...Evangelical Christians get the worst of it merely because they're the most oppressive to other religions of all Christians. It's becoming apparent to the rest of society that Christians are fundamentalists and apologetics that want to "save everyone" by controlling everyone...kind of like the crusades, minus the swords to your throat that force you to convert. You can ask Islam about that if you're not familiar with it....perhaps explain to them why their jihad is wrong, but Christians were allowed to have a jihad hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Scriptures shouldn't control the laws regardless because other religious teachings say completely opposite things and you're infriging on those religious. Christians don't even agree on interpretations of scriptures 100% so why make that your reason for law making?

So to answer your question...why are Liberals pissed at Christians...hmm...lets see.....

They rallied around Bush in their churches - which is wrong to begin with. A church is not a place for political campaigning. There's already enough cultish brainwashing and propoganda going on as it is. It's bad enough that they campaigned under religious grounds and John Kerry is religious! So now Catholics aren't as good as Evangelical Christians?? They want to ban abortion which is a woman's choice and shouldn't be controlled by government (who just so happen to be a majority of men). Not to mention that this issue has been resolved and is just sending Americans back in time. They made homoseuxality the big issue once they discovered that Bush sucked in the debates. How could Bush win after he made a fool of himself unless they made the election into Morals.

You really should be focusing on unemployment, education, health care and war, but everyone knows that the Christians care about morals, more than people. Wow, that's Christianity....or not. Who cares about homosexuals when millions can't feed their families or take them to the doctors when they're sick?

Who can call themselves pro-life and Christian for that matter and agree with thousands dying in Iraq? Especially when it's an unjust war to begin with.

So I'm assuming that yeah, the liberals are pissed at Christians because their preaching made this election into a moral issue above all and all the masses of people without employment, without health care, and without their son or daughter thanks to Iraq were forgotten because homosexuality and abortion areapparently the big issue. Give me a break! Because I'll tell you what...abortions have never been so high as under Bush's rule. I'm sure it will increase too because Bush has failed to set up a pro-life society with proper social programs, and a proper economy to begin with.

So the liberals wanted to help their country and now instead they'll be another 4 years of people being forgotten. Of poor families children dying for oil and to help fill the pockets of rich man who won't send their children to die for their greed. It's should take 4 years to figure out if Canadian drugs are safe because the bottom line is they are safe and there's no difference between them.
Focus on the big stuff rather than using a diversion and drawing attention away from the real problems.
 


So after reading your rant, the only thing I've come up with is: Christians shouldn't vote. That should be left up to seculars who hate Christianity, because it's wrong. I could be wrong, but it seems like you really hate Christians.

I'd like to know which service(s) you've been to that's promoted one candidate over another. I haven't seen it. But then again, I don't go to 50 different services a day.

Registering people at churches isn't a separation of church and state. It's just registering people to vote. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Which is worse, legitimately registering voters who will vote for a candidate, or illegitimately register voters by coming up with fake names like the DNC did in Ohio and various other states??

I guess you really didn't read the article that helps to present the facts, but then again, liberals don't like to look at facts. Let me insert it again:

"...the fallback is then to attribute Bush's victory to the gay marriage referendums that pushed Bush over the top, particularly in Ohio. This is more nonsense. Bush increased his vote in 2004 over 2000 by an average of 3.1% nationwide. In Ohio, the increase was 1% - less than a third of the national average. In the 11 states in which the gay marriage referendums were held, Bush increased his vote by less than he did in the 39 states that did not have the referendum. The great anti-gay surge was pure fiction."

Did you read it?

Obviously you aren't a Christian or knew something about Christianity because otherwise you wouldn't be making crass generalizations about the religion you apparently know nothing about.

You honestly think that we don't worry about war and the economy and education? You my friend are blind if you think that. I think that more people were motivated by the war on terror, mainly because Bush is stronger than Kerry in that arena. National Security is probably the most important thing that the President has to worry about and Kerry's voting record indicates that he's weak on that issue. Unemployment is always an important thing. My father lost his after 9-11, not because of Bush, but because of 9-11... the majority of the country that lost jobs was in the Transportation industry, Ie. airlines. Most of them aren't blaming Bush for that. Masses of people are unemployed? The actual rate of unemployment under Bush has been less in comparison to the Clinton years.

I'll also take it be that you aren't American, because you really don't seem to grasp what we go through and how we think. If you were American, you'd probably think different. You are about equality and justice, yet you liberals love to bash other religions and ways of thinking (without learning and understanding them) instead of wondering, how can we all work together to make society better? You liberals don't want to, because waa waa you lost. Get over it and move on. You say we can't look to the past, but to move toward the future you need to understand the past.
 

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